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u/mungonuts 14d ago
Elon is one of those guys who never reads anything, he only reads commentary on X from people he already agrees with.
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u/malphasalex 14d ago
Twitter*
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u/Kryptrch 14d ago
"The website formerly known as Twitter" if your company forces you to.
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u/The-Dead-Internet 13d ago
I mean let's be fair ( not that I like Elmo) but most of reddit doesn't make it past the headlines. Click bate titles and so much information being pumped out has made people just scroll through.
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u/ComfortableBell4831 13d ago
Well it doesnt help that 90% of shared links are paywalled garbage that just reiterates the clickbait title in a single paragraph (Mostly game related stuff on the 2nd portion there)
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u/The-Dead-Internet 13d ago
Your not wrong modern journalism is pretty much on life support and AI is eventually going to kill it all together.
That's the problem when everything is driven purely for profit.
Sites don't get paid on how many words you read they get paid on how many clicks and ad views.
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u/HughesJohn 13d ago
El Grauniad is not profit driven.
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u/CongealedBeanKingdom 13d ago
Why don't you just call it The Guardian?
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u/HughesJohn 13d ago
Because, back when it was typeset in hot lead, it was famous for typographical errors. Calling it El Graun is a tradition.
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u/Gildor12 13d ago
Not El though
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u/HughesJohn 13d ago
Like El Mundo or El Pais
E.g.
https://andreworlowski.com/use-me-as-a-mouthpiece-pleads-guardian-hack/
(This isn’t surprising – we suspect that at El Graun, hacks are equipped with two office telephones: a normal one, and one with only one button, which dials the ORG directly.)
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u/mungonuts 13d ago
Click bate
I think you just coined a phrase. I like it!
On topic: as anonymous redditors, not "thought leaders" with a platform of millions, it's not really our responsibility to have read in depth on all the things we opine about (though one could disagree). Even those of us who are well-read can only be so on a narrow slice of the pie of knowledge. Plenty of smart, educated people beclown themselves by weighing in on things they know less than nothing about (e.g., Peterson on Marxism). There's no evidence that Elon has any in-depth knowledge of anything, let alone what's in the Guardian.
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u/pghadventuretime 14d ago
His comment makes me want to check it out
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u/MonitorPowerful5461 14d ago
They're decent. Just kind of a pretty good, not perfect but pretty good newspaper.
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u/Business-Emu-6923 13d ago
My take on the Grauniad. They have financial problems which often skews their reporting, but all in all they are ok.
When you have garbage like the Telegraph, the S*n and the Daily Mail doing their best lickspittle shoeshine-boy act every day, a paper that punches back is not only worthy, but essential.
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u/bluefootedtit 13d ago
What newspaper is perfect?
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u/2012Jesusdies 13d ago
Associated Press is pretty good tho they're more a cooperative of news agencies. DW, BBC, Propublica are also pretty good.
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u/Longjumping_Jello_66 13d ago edited 13d ago
Reuters, I guess? They're as close to factual as any can get. Guardian is... okay at best. Their reporting on "non-western" nations tends* to be biased. Their opinion pieces are rather preachy too.
They're better than most though. But then again it's a low bar to clear with all the rubbish publications going around these days.
*Not always, but more often than not.
PS- I know Reuters is a news agency unlike Guardian which is a paper, but the difference is very minimal with digital publications.
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Guardian is a balanced news source that does decent journalism. Which is why fuckwits hate it. They have no pay wall but a subscription model. Turns out if you do good journalism people will pay. And they say "don't buy a subscription so that you can read the news, but one so that everyone else can". Based.
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u/Direct-n-Extreme 13d ago
Guardian is a balanced news source that does decent journalism.
My ass. They have countless biased borderline propoganda pieces with half truths. Known for publishing atrocity literature against the non white individuals and countries
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u/CongealedBeanKingdom 13d ago
Source please.
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u/Active-Republic3104 13d ago
https://adfontesmedia.com/the-guardian-bias-and-reliability/
Guardian is reliable but left-skewing so not that balanced
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u/Bonzoface 13d ago
Bearing in mind that most of the British media is right of centre or just to the right of the kaiser... I will take the guardian any day.
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u/Active-Republic3104 13d ago
Not disputing that at all and as mentioned it is quite a reliable source
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u/2012Jesusdies 13d ago edited 13d ago
Same site ranks Daily Mail and Joe Rogan as "Middle" of the spectrum btw.
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u/Ponk2k 13d ago
The guardian is as centrist as anything, they were probably the thing that killed a Corbin government.
Having a few left wing opinion columnists doesn't make them left wing, they've a also some proper conservative types too
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u/Active-Republic3104 12d ago
Did not mention anything about it being left wing news news/propaganda/support or anything. It is left skewing - not even very left to tbf
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u/thegarbz 12d ago
The dumbest thing anyone can do is convert a highly complex smooth scale into the term "left or right". The reality is the -7 on the skew, which really makes it very damn balanced and close to the middle of the actual statistics analyzing news papers. The "left" or "right" news sources are typically around +/-12 or worse.
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u/Active-Republic3104 12d ago
I agree and i am not criticising left or right news sources. People read what they want. I am just presenting an interpretation based on some research that has been made 😄
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u/andr386 12d ago
Just make sure to check if it's an article or an opinion. Because they let a lot of people give their opinion or write editorials. And you might think it's just a lot of left-wing minded people working there.
They must be judged on their investigative research and real journalism. And they have no paywall.
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u/Toonwatcher 14d ago
Just as a rule of thumb, if Musk hates it, then it’s actually great.
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u/Direct-n-Extreme 13d ago
Hope this is a joke. If you genuinely believe this then no offense, you're a moron.
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u/Business-Emu-6923 13d ago
If the richest man in the world goes out of his way, interrupts his busy day, to post hate about something… then it has value, stature, significance and is upsetting the right people.
“If Musk hates it, it’s actually great” is big brain thinking expressed as dumbass words.
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u/Just_Jonnie 13d ago edited 13d ago
He's not even the top 100 richest men in the world. He's just the richest man in the world who has to report his wealth.
Edit: To the naysayers: Musk does not have more money than the Princes of Saudi Arabia. Or Putin. Or Xi from China. I can find plenty of richer people.
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u/GwerigTheTroll 14d ago
Misanthropic is such a strange world to describe a publication. I’m curious why he selected that word in particular, and, if pressed, if he could define the word.
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u/Kyogen13 14d ago
Of course he can define it! It means ‘against man’, and in his narcissistic mind, he is ‘man’.
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u/imjustalaia 13d ago
That was some serious undefining definition you just made…as the word you’re actually describing is misANDRIST, not misanthropic.
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u/aqwmasterofDOOM 13d ago
That's the point, he wouldn't know the difference because Elon Musk is a complete idiot
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u/ObliviousRounding 14d ago
He read it for the first time that day and was itching to use it in a sentence.
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u/BishoxX 14d ago
They reported on Neuralink saying that it ran into a big issue and that the user was shocked when it failed when no such thing happened i believe. So he rightfully criticised them for it. To be fair 95% of the press had same reaction for neuralink
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u/Guadalagringo 14d ago
Honestly, best advertisement I’ve heard for the guardian
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u/AbaddonsJanitor 14d ago
Right? I suddenly want to pay for a subscription.
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u/Lepurten 14d ago
No paywalls. A cause worth supporting. I pay 10€ a month to keep them going. Got a nice letter when I subscribed, too. They told me that I smell good. Worth it
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u/Bonzoface 13d ago
I subscribe too. I need to check my emails for this lovely compliment.
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u/Lepurten 13d ago
It was the membership program, I think they have something else now. I got a physical, formal letter and a drawn joke post card with various compliments for me. It was a lovely postcard, just had to fill in my name by myself. British humour at its finest.
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u/not_cinc0 14d ago
"Misanthropic (adjective): disliking humankind and avoiding human society". Just like me :)
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u/Buttercup59129 13d ago
using misanthrope as your cope for why you fail socially is hilarious to me.
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u/acastleofcards 14d ago
Sometimes I have to remind myself that that fashie internet troll is also one of the richest people in the world.
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u/freddit32 13d ago
he's emotionally a poorly taught toddler.
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u/No-Review-6105 13d ago
In Germany we say "Kleine Schläge auf den Hinterkopf erhöhen das Denkvermögen."
Something about the lines of "Small hits to the back of the head increase the ability to think."
This old sentence is very true here.
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u/RottenWorldCollapse 13d ago
Elon Musk is pushing 60 and he still posts things like this online.
Fucking toad-shaped cringe machine.
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u/willyiamwilliams222 14d ago
Can we find something else to post about besides Elon Musk? If we had any interest in his horseshit, we’d be on “X”
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u/Oblivion_Unsteady 14d ago
You know you can still call it Twitter right? You've no reason to help billionaire assholes rebrand
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u/Nesnosna 14d ago
Fearlessly report facts is a stretch
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u/Material-Abalone5885 14d ago
The Guardian was founded out of the Peterloo massacre
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u/HughesJohn 13d ago
Well, no, not really.
The guardian was founded to suppress the "mob" that was massacred at peterloo.
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u/yot1234 13d ago
Why would you need to suppress an already massacred mob?
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u/HughesJohn 13d ago
18 people died, while protesting for parliamentary reform.
The Guardian was funded by liberal mill owners to reduce the influence of the reformists who were fighting for universal suffrage. They were against the tory government, but also against what they saw as dangerous radicals.
While John Edward Taylor, the man who went on to found the Manchester Guardian two years after Peterloo, did condemn the violence of the yeomanry that day, he attributed it to a few ‘bad apples’ and described the ‘presumption, vulgarity and violence of some self-styled reformers’ as equally culpable. Taylor and his allies campaigned for a public inquiry that would embarrass the government but differentiated themselves from the radical voices that were demanding widespread political reform, including universal suffrage.
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u/Shferitz 14d ago
I like to think of the guardian as a teller of half-truths. Eg- Guy 1 kicks guy 2 in the shins every day for a year: nothing. After a year, guy 2 gets fed up and decks guy 1. The Guardian: omg guy 2 just decked guy 1! The horror!!!! 🙄
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u/elom44 14d ago
Given that almost all the uk press peddles whatever Tory lies their proprietors demand of them, half truths is about the best that we can get.
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u/Kuia_Queer 14d ago
The Guardian is more tied to the UK Labour party, if not the interests of the working class generally. It has got a bit more click-baity and TERFy in the last few years, but at least it clearly distinguishes news and opinion most of the time.
The admission of the involvement of cotton money (and thus slavery) in establishing the then Manchester Guardian was good. Made it hard to play the Brass boardgame afterwards though.
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u/AmorousBadger 14d ago
Found the late shift Moscow plant
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u/Shferitz 14d ago edited 14d ago
You do know that the guardian is the Moscow plant, right? The guardian were awfully close to the ussr so they’re useful idiots at best. From their Wikipedia page:
In 1994, KGB defector Oleg Gordievsky identified Guardian literary editor Richard Gott as "an agent of influence". While Gott denied that he received cash, he admitted he had had lunch at the Soviet Embassy and had taken benefits from the KGB on overseas visits. Gott resigned from his post.[72] Gordievsky commented on the newspaper: "The KGB loved The Guardian. It was deemed highly susceptible to penetration."[73]
Eta: I am certainly not a Russian bot. In fact my most unpopular posts are pointing out Russian influence and talking points in western media.
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u/AmorousBadger 14d ago edited 14d ago
This is an interesting point which is only slightly undermined by the fact that at least one Graun journalist was vilified by several actually Russian owned newspapers for pointing out the whole Russian involvement in Brexit thing and that the Soviet Union dissolved 35 years ago. This was an imaginative late shift effort though.
6/10, based on the fact that I've had several drinks tonight and and could easily spot the feeble whatebouttery but it was an imaginative effort and was written in mostly coherent English.
You should probably take this post as a reference to your handlers that you deserve a pay increase and an upgrade to slightly less tragic Reddit group for ongoing troll factory employment purposes.
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u/Business-Emu-6923 13d ago
Yes, well you don’t expect a Redditor to know the difference between a cold-war era political alliance between communists and a socialist newspaper vs. Modern day open hostility between Moscow and the free press.
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u/cambriansplooge 14d ago
I’ve read far more misanthropy from far more respectable institutions than The Gaurdian
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u/7_11_Nation_Army 13d ago edited 13d ago
Where is the clever comeback?
EDIT: Wait, who responded to whom? If The Guardian responded to Musk, that's actually pretty funny.
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u/Karnewarrior 13d ago
tbph, I thought the Guardian was a right-wing rag. But given I don't remember where I picked up that idea, and Musk hates it, probably I was wrong.
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u/Expensive-Analysis-2 14d ago
TBF the guardian is the daily mail of the left.
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u/mnkystolemyface 14d ago
The mirror fits that bill better. It's closer to the telegraph of the left
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u/KaziOverlord 14d ago
"Unique reader-funded model" You mean you sell articles and subscriptions to customers for revenue?
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u/Tronlambur 13d ago
The Guardian literally received $12mil from the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation (far more than their yearly funding from subscribers), and they even admit to receiving funding from them: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2010/sep/14/about-this-site And of course, they make empty, easy promises about how they won't be influenced by the money. This isn't a 'clever comeback', it's an empty defence.
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u/deerfoot 12d ago
The guardian is largely funded by a charitable trust left as a bequest which started funding the newspaper in 1936. They accept funding from various charitable foundations for specific projects. The Gates foundation partially funded a project reporting in global development. As the Gates foundation is involved in numerous global development projects this was seen as synergistic.
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u/Previous-Ad7618 14d ago
If Elon musk called me a donkey dick I'd put that shit on a tshirt. That's a badge of honour.