r/clevercomebacks 27d ago

That's some seriously old beer!

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u/Blackbox7719 27d ago edited 27d ago

There are breweries in Europe with a history several times longer than that of the US.

The brewery for Spaten, for example, has a lineage first mentioned in 1397. Meanwhile, Stella Artois is the product of a brewery that first opened as a tavern in 1366 and was then purchased and renamed to the Brouwerij Artois in 1717 by its new owner Sebastien Artois.

These breweries have been around since the literal Middle Ages. Meanwhile, America’s oldest operating brewery is D.G. Yuengling and Son established in 1829 (No shade to it. It’s a good beer).

Edit: Because I’ve gotten a lot of comments about it and I can’t keep up with everyone I wanted to quickly clarify my stance. No, I do not think that the modern Spaten and Stella breweries are craft. They are, without doubt, modern “macro” breweries. By my definition, “craft” indicates brewing smaller scale, personal, batches with a focus on quality over quantity. With this in mind, I am of the opinion that those breweries were “craft” when they started out as they independently brewed quality stuff on a smaller scale. However, they were not called that at the time because the term would have been meaningless. In the Middle Ages (or before) everyone was crafting beer on that same scale and the concept of “macro” was nonexistent. So yes, the breweries I listed are not “craft” as we see the term. However, they were “craft” before the term ever needed to come into being.

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u/sputnikmonolith 27d ago edited 27d ago

Haha, fuck sake - this blew up. I was just trying to be facetious because the guy sounded like one of those craft beer wankers.

I actually don't know anything about brewing.

Know plenty about drinking though.

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u/l0st1nP4r4d1ce 27d ago

I AM a craft beer wanker, semi pro brewer, and cicerone.

They are talking out their ass.

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u/Jon00266 27d ago

"semi pro brewer" is all you need to know 😂 you've either studied brewing or you haven't

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u/l0st1nP4r4d1ce 27d ago

Mmkay. (I have.)

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u/Blackbox7719 27d ago

Drinking the beer is the best part.

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u/swagdaddyham 27d ago

He probably meant the microbrewery trend which more or less sprung up simultaneously in the US and UK. But even then he's still wrong in multiple ways. It's a trend so nobody really invented anything and it wasn't solely the US. Artisanal breweries are centuries old like you alluded to.

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u/belgianbadger 26d ago

Microbrewery trend

Sounds like cope from countries without trappist monks.